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Broadcast: BibTeX citation key:  Duncan2008a
DAVID E. DUNCAN. 28th Feb 2008. Web 2.0: Amateur Hour or Mass-ive Knowledge?  Jimmy Wales and Andrew Keen Debate. (Commonwealth Club of California). 1'00".
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Categories: history, speaking through machines
Keywords: anonymity, RS, unpaid labor, wiki-workers, Wikipedia
Creators: Duncan
Publisher: Commonwealth Club of California

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Keen doesn't focus on Wikipedia editing and seems very much to be presenting an outsider's critique. He doesn't seem to be aware of the hierarchy of editors within Wikipedia, though he is very aware of the more general alienation of the labor of intellectual workers in Web 2.0.

Keen suggests changing the name of Wikipedia to something else. I would suggest Wikiscope, because such a name would be more accurate.

Keen, in the end, prefers traditional credibility structures rather than the idio(syn)cratic conferral of credibility by the mob (Cf. WP:Wikispeak#RFA, WP:AE, WP:ANI, etc.) for peer review. Unfortunately (back in 2008) he does not show the familiarity with the editing environment that would have made him more convincing on this point.

Saying that Wikipedia lacks "editors" as he does is quite provocative: he means editors as opposed to pigistes, whereas within the wikitopic cult, the very meaning of the word "editors" has been specifically refigured to mean "pigistes" or "editors" or both.

One of the highlights of the video is when Keen asks Wales how many employees he has. Jimmy fidgets and eventually coughs up a ballpark estimate of "tennish" and proceeds to squirm like Pinocchio for several seconds straight (again, back in 2008).
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